League of Valour

Cosak a écrit:the Grognards clan relaunched a NTW2-like LoV ranking, to allow individual ranking. This progressively puts pressure on good players and allows more resources to beginners. Consequently winning/losing respectively means are tougher/easier battle for the next battle, and not a final result by itself. We don't reject the ladder, which was nicely managed by Lancier, but we prefer that (already submitted to the BPA).

You can have a preview of the new LoV here : http://www.ntw3.eu (no password for the anonymous account, only in French now, English version soon).

greetings grognards.

Cosak:
* can everyone in the lordz community participate like our prev.CWL as this is also individuals ranking ?
* how do you determine teams before battle, lets say it is a 3v3, who team up with who ?
* also how do you determine who is host as host team pick faction first and as he choose map ?
* lastly anonymous on ntw3 eu not working ?

regards

Hi Lancier,

[N]Lancier a écrit:can everyone in the lordz community participate like our prev.CWL as this is also individuals ranking ?

Basically yes, but preferably affiliated to an existing clan. Although the fair-play spirit is mandatory (the intial budget is based on mutual trust).

[N]Lancier a écrit:how do you determine teams before battle, lets say it is a 3v3, who team up with who ?

Like in CWL: improvised
After ten or twenty battles strong players will be handicaped enough and weak players will have more funds. So no "elite teams" will crush everything. Or, rather, they will struggle more and more to win.

[N]Lancier a écrit:also how do you determine who is host as host team pick faction first and as he choose map ?

As LoV is for now a Grognards-only ranking, we haven't settled it yet. Maybe your organisational skills may help...

[N]Lancier a écrit:lastly anonymous on ntw3 eu not working ?

You must set the form like that:

Then click on >
It works, I've just tested right now.

that is why i asked Cosak, as CWL was individuals league BUT when people had chance they were always teaming up with their own clan mates, so it was individuals but on the others hand CLANS league too in a way.

so if other players than grognards will join lov like bpa, maybe a rule for teaming up will be needed so clans will not always team up with their own clan players and it will be a real individuals ranking - like minimum florin players (experts) be team with max. florin player/s (rookies).
One team (least florin players team for example) may select map, other side may choose alliance 1 or 2 and select his faction first.

yes it is working it was cause of my router, please let other clans know when system is open for them too.

@ Lancier :

The rules are here in French here
http://www.grognards.org/t2321-vote-des-regles-du-jeu-lov

You'll find the English translation on the BPA's forum.

[Grognard]_Cosak a écrit:

[N]Lancier a écrit:also how do you determine who is host as host team pick faction first and as he choose map ?

As LoV is for now a Grognards-only ranking, we haven't settled it yet. Maybe your organisational skills may help...

I have to say Cosak's answer is not correct at all, he must have forgotten about the rules or not read them. A very serious list of rules have been debated and voted by the Grognards themselves. It clearly states how things work, what team picks faction first, what are the host responsabilities, etc.

JC hello. I read rules on BPA as i do not know french,
* does it say who team up with who ? i could not find.
* and does it say who will be the host (and why) as he will have the advantage of deciding about the map and faction first.

[N]Lancier a écrit:

so if other players than grognards will join lov like bpa, maybe a rule for teaming up will be needed so clans will not always team up with their own clan players and it will be a real individuals ranking - like minimum florin players (experts) be team with max. florin player/s (rookies). One team may select map, other side may choose alliance 1 or 2 and select faction first.

This is a very weird proposition Lancier. I wonder how Somerset and you have come to this perpetual logic of ever complicating things and making competition boring!
Prevent clan players from playing with oneanother ? Are you serious ?

We will never need such drastic measures tohave the LoV become balance. Why? Because If you are right, the best clans will always win at first,and most of their players will suffer a major drop in florins. On the other hand, those who hardly ever playwith their clanmates, or those who are called the rebels, will lose more often,and therefore will have more money to spend. When rebels meet a strong clan, the florins unbalance should do the job of balancing teams alone. That's our idea from scratch. All we need is the LoV to work at full regime. The more players play, the more balanced teams are.

[N]Lancier a écrit:JC hello. I read rules on BPA as i do not know french,
* does it say who team up with who ? i could not find.
* and does it say who will be the host (and why) as he will have the advantage of deciding about the map and faction first.

The rules are very precise indeed. You should have read themon the BPAs...

However, out of friendship, I will try to answer your questions

There is no rule about what map to pick, who is to be the host, etc.It makes things easier. Basicly, someone can host a 4v4and wait forplayers to join. If a sufficient number of players join, and are all members of LoV, then they can all agree to have a LoV battle. No need to make challengefor weeks earlier, etc.

The host is but responsible for making sure everyone knows about the excat money they canspend. The host is also responsible for uploading the battle result on the LoV website.

The rules gives free choice of team. No oneis forced to play with clan mates etc. You can pick whatever team you want. It's upto you to accept the "LoV battle" only after you have found yourself a team that fits you.

About faction selection, there is a rule. Host team picks the first nationality (France for example) then the adversary selects the secondnationality (It cannot take France any longer. For our example, let's say they pick Russia), then it's the host teamagain (It cannot take Russia now), etc.

JC a écrit:This is a very weird proposition Lancier. I wonder how Somerset and you have come to this perpetual logic of ever complicating things and making competition boring!
Prevent clan players from playing with oneanother ? Are you serious ?
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We will never need such drastic measures tohave the LoV become balance
There is no rule about what map to pick, who is to be the host, etc
The rules gives free choice of team. No oneis forced to play with clan mates etc

İ do not know somer’s but mine must be the foresight after running cwl even on a neutral forum like lordz and seeing how things differ when being inside the clan and when they involve various clans outside, how small details really matter, leave aside the map,host,teaming up or alliance 1*2 but a small hill or a house on the map … when some basics are not put in a detailed way for everyone. If you do not want a rule for these it is up to you course as you are the host team here.
I do not say we should restrict clans playing together, I just wished for this not being a custom like a habit all the time so would reflect more an individuals ranking, anyway we are glad lov is back hope you involve bpa soon would be a nice experience for all, gl.

I indeed forgot the rules about nation selection, because for now we had no problem fixing it amongst Grognards before a LoV battle.

On my own I am very much for a clear distintctin between classes of factions (majors, pseudo-majors (Italy, Poland), strong minors, weak minors). That would be nice to have one of each class in a 4v4... But that's just my wish, as I am tired of always the same nations being played.

For clan games: I wouldn't set a rule. You must think a clan is advantaged if playing together. That's true. But after the victory, each member will have a -200 for the next battle. That will be -800 for the next a 4v4... ouch! Imagine that after five wins.

Thx Lancier.

Plz do not imagine your suggestions are unwelcome. Who knows? We might need to make a rule concerning the maps one day. I really do hope Hosts won't abuse their opponent goodwill.

Plz let us know if Ns would be (maybe) officialy interested in joining LoV.

Thank you JC for the invitation, i will if [N] is interested officially.

thank you Liberalis by the way for changing my topic from ‘the league of valor’ to ‘the greatest league of valor ever’ lol no problem anyway, it deserves.

gl Grognard friends hf.

By the way not ALL N have to be in if you/they agree. Only few can join. It's not a tournament, it's just a ranking system.

PS topic renamed again

thank you Cosak.
I talk to N HC: officers of Napoleonics are now free to join LoV individually. Ones who want to join will make their application here to you.