HB Marengo 3v3

Bonaparte : Cosak
Lannes : Seimour
Desaix : Brumaire

Melas : Frog
O'Reilly : Miko
Ott : Stilgar



Drop de Miko en milieu de partie.
Nos opposants ont pourtant mal joué, et je ne suis pas convaincu qu'ils l'auraient emportés.
A noter, un moral très étonnant, avec des unités autrichiennes qui combattent enconre à 15/140 et des françaises qui fuient à 60/80...



Exemple, avec cette unité héroique de 6 cavaliers autrichiens...

Replay

Je n'aime pas trop les NBC et leurs règles pour les hb. On dirait qu'ils ne sont intéressés que par la répétition sans fin des mêmes scénarios de batailles. Peut être ce pour pallier à un manque d'imagination et d'adaptation?

Les règles me semblent correctes. Toutefois ils sont fanatiquement vigilants sur le fait qu'un bonhomme soit ci ou là pour faire un carré, mais en revanche traverser nos unités avec leurs cavaleries ne les dérange pas (et visiblement ils assument).

Bref c'est comme faire attention à la longueur du pommeau des sabres pour optimiser le réalisme, pour ensuite nous sortir des sabres-laser.

Good to see Grogs and others trying and hopefully enjoying HBs.

An entertaining death match in the end. I am afraid Bruimair analysis of the battle is erroneous. If Miko would not drop, the Lannes formation would be destroyed, and the remaining French formations, including the Guard, will be good for defending own LOC at best.

The French side made 2 fundamental mistakes: defending too far and wasting most of their cavalry in opening of the battle. Even after Miko dropped, we could defeat the Lannes formation, but admittedly I did not get best out of my cav and the French side showed a skillful fighting retreat, although LCS been abused by Lannes commander a couple of times as far as I could tell.

@ Seimour. It is up to you what you like and dislike, but do not rubbish smth you do not understand. Playing HBs takes patience and more imagination than an average lobby MP. Besides, it requires trust and respect of all involved, which seems a luxury nowadays. Yes, if you play frequently, it would eventually feel repetitive, but HBs are complex and have great replay value. I play HB once a weeek at best (too busy lately), and with 20 battles available I never got bored.

@ Cosak. Playing by rules could be tricky indeed. Most of HB players, including NBC are playing by official HB rules (see pdf file in launcher screen), defined by Des and Legio's. That set of rules is rather straightforward. The "not attacking through own units" rule was an NBC thing proposed as additional rule for HB as well as classic, but due to too many debates, also among NBCs, and difficulties in implementingthat was dropped. (N.B. It never been adopted as officila HB rule by Des and legio's). Still, NBCs and many regular HB players try to avoid obvious charging through own units (it looks ugly and besides is less effective). I personally try to watch for obvious from behind charges through own troops (infa in particular) and in my attacks I do look for gaps and corridors. But, in the heat of the battle I can be at fault there. Accordingly, I never complain when other players break that "rule". As for marching through own units (far from enemy line), I haven't heard anyone having problem with that.

In my experience, breaking LCS is most annoying, as cavalry is so precious in HB. Additionally, the houses is overpowered and assaulting them normally takes time and could result in unreasonably high losses. So, a common practice (not a rule!!) is to leave the house if there is no chance to control the area around the house. Again, this is just common sense: would during Nap Wars a batallion be left deep behind the enemy line in a house ?! I suspect they would just refuse taking such an order(lol).

With respect,
Stilgar

Grognards are playing about 2 HB per week for the last months. I have recently posted to NBC a proposition to play HB together. I got strictly no reply. Pity.

About the rules: in HB I take care to never make cavalry walk through my own infantry. I am aware this is my own challenge for realism, but I consider it's more realistic than checking if a unit stopped moving half-second before or after forming a square. What matters to me is realism in HB, not following side rules with extreme stubbornness.

What annoyed me in this battle was your recurring use of cavalry walking through our infantries. To me this is worse than firing at generals with guns. This is done by clicking behind our lines. Then infantries suffer from the "attack from rear" malus, even if charged frontally. It happened at least three times yesterday. That's the worst glitch of NTW and shouldn't ever occur on purpose.

Eventually I agree with Brumaire. Without Miko's crash, we would have retreated further after our failure near Castel Ceriolo, and wait for reinforcements. Not sure about the final result, but certainly not an easy win for you (or us).

[Grognard]_Cosak a écrit:
What annoyed me in this battle was your recurring use of cavalry walking through our infantries. To me this is worse than firing at generals with guns. This is done by clicking behind our lines. Then infantries suffer from the "attack from rear" malus, even if charged frontally. It happened at least three times yesterday. That's the worst glitch of NTW and shouldn't ever occur on purpose.

C'est rien de le dire !

[Grognard]_Cosak a écrit:Grognards are playing about 2 HB per week for the last months. I have recently posted to NBC a proposition to play HB together. I got strictly no reply. Pity.

Pity indeed. Hope that will change. Perhaps, Grogs should try joining in HB room in TS to show their interest, but I'll spread the word among NBCs and other HB players. Posting results on Lordz is good idea indeed, as there are few HB players checking Grog's forum, I guess.

[Grognard]_Cosak a écrit: About the rules: in HB I take care to never make cavalry walk through my own infantry. I am aware this is my own challenge for realism, but I consider it's more realistic than checking if a unit stopped moving half-second before or after forming a square. What matters to me is realism in HB, not following side rules with extreme stubbornness.

This is a noble pursuit. Would be good to see such attidude from everyone joining HBs. I normally try not just stick to agreed rules (this is important after all), but move and deploy troops as they would do in reality, but the amount of micromanagement could be just overwhelming at times and one can get just behind the events, particularly when fighting against skilled players. So, often it is about finding a balance, I suppose.

Btw, what you mean by side rules here? Not LCS I hope. As abusing that means a valuble cav unit lost to a lousy infa unit in seconds!

[Grognard]_Cosak a écrit: What annoyed me in this battle was your recurring use of cavalry walking through our infantries. To me this is worse than firing at generals with guns. This is done by clicking behind our lines. Then infantries suffer from the "attack from rear" malus, even if charged frontally. It happened at least three times yesterday. That's the worst glitch of NTW and shouldn't ever occur on purpose.

Good point. I should have avoided doing that. I indeed recall trying that once or twice on purpose to increase the impact of cav attack. On other occasions it was just an apparent effect. At times cav can choose a strange charging route, particularly when not formed up or when receiving too many orders.

Anyway, hope we shall be able to find a common ground on rules and "recommendations" (as well as their implementation) and see each other on HB battlefield more frequently.